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THEATER OF THE GODS
Real-Life TRUE STORIES and LESSONS from the DEFINE.COM Jubilee Guy


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<Golden> GuestX, I came clean with my medication prescriber today and told her that I
wasn't really a schizophrenic, but that I was really a self-medicating drug addict who's
drugs of choice are Wellbutrin, Lexapro, Geodon, Hydroxyzine, Lamictal, Caffeine and
Marijuana. Our fifteen minute appointment turned into one hour and fifteen minutes.

<GuestX> That was to be expected.



<Golden> I told her the reason I got myself onto Social Security Disability is because
I have severe PTSD due to a fucked up childhood with a bullying tyrannical
hot-tempered violent super-controlling micro-managing authoritarian perfectionist
father with a hair pin trigger and that whenever I have any conflict with authority I
completely lose all self control and say exactly what I'm thinking without thinking
which is exactly the wrong thing to say at the time which always gets me fired - so I
get fired a lot and can't hold down a job. I finally just got really, totally burned
out. (Actually my Dad's a great guy these days. Very patriotic and thoughtful and kind
and gentle and caring. He did his best and his heart was in the right place. WE ALL
HAVE OUR PARTS TO PLAY in THE THEATER OF THE GODS. That was his PART. That was his
ROLE. Once a Marine, always a Marine. Semper Fidelis. Go TEAM! Whatever it takes. GO
NAVY! Full Speed Ahead! Be All That You Can Be. Aim High! THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
and "All That Jazz!" Hoorah!)

<GuestX> What did she say? Surprised you are still alive?


<GuestX> BTW your lack of sleep can trigger schizophrenic like reactions too.

<Golden> I told her all I wanted was just to smoke pot and be left alone to live my
life in peace with as little conflict and suffering as possible. Told her I'd be happy
to give up the Wellbutrin, Lexapro, Geodon, Lamictal, Hydroxyzine and Caffeine in
exchange for just the pot, if I can get it.

<GuestX> No sleep is hallucinating, especially with your drug regime.

<Golden> She said, the current prevailing opinion in the psychiatric community is that
pot can't be recommended for people with a history of psychosis. So I confessed: all my
past psychotic episodes were caused by massive overdoses of antidepressants over a
prolonged period.



<Golden> She said the other doctor wrote down some very specific notes about one of my
"psychotic episodes" in which I was dancing naked in the front yard, then taken into
custody by the police for subsequent transfer by ambulance to a hospital for later
involuntary commitment to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation.

<Golden> I told her that when you go through 2 bottles of antidepressants in 10 days,
you get a bit on the bold and manic side. I told her I stood in the doorway of my
house fully clothed and a strong voice in my internal dialog just short of an auditory
hallucination told me, "OK. Take off your clothes. Go outside, and whatever happens
just fucking deal with it. It will all work out for the best. It's for the greater
good. You'll be fine, trust us. The show must go on. Let's get this done. Here we go!"

<GuestX> I think you'll have to prove to her who you are without meds first.


<Golden> So I took off my clothes and went out into the front yard stark naked and
staired at The SUN. When a cop showed up with a can of pepper-spray aimed at my eyes
shouting "Get Down! Get Down!" a strong voice in my internal dialog said, "Don't do
anything at all. Don't speak. Don't do anything threatening. Keep your hands at your
sides. Just stay relaxed." So I just stood there with my hands at my sides until I
ended up handcuffed in the back seat of a police car for later transfer to an ambulance
for a ride to the hospital.


<Golden> After spending 10 days under involutary evaluation in the psychiatric
hospital to determine my mental competence, I was found fully competent and CLEAR AS A
BELL and released. There were three more ambulance rides over the next 12 years, here
and there. Some short hospital stays and a few memorable out-of-body, outside-of-time
experiences. Very interesting, actually. Cool stuff. A bit on the dangerous side but
a hell of a lot of excitement and novelty. Liberating, really. Something of a Pagan
Awakening each time. Very deep stuff. Very spiritual. Very intense.

<Golden> I said, "So, Debi, am I a schizophrenic?"


<Golden> After coming clean with Debi, I decided to come clean with The Huffington
Post. Read my last 5 posts here if you have a little attention span tonight. This
relates to The 2012 Elections in a roundabout way.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Ken_Meyering?action=comments

<Golden> I said, "I have severe PTSD and marijuana is my self-medication of
preference. It makes me feel relaxed and good and happy." She said, "According to all
available research, there have been no studies that conclude that it provides any
benefit at all to people with PTSD." I said, "Debi, that's because THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
DOES NOT ALLOW ANY SCIENTIFIC STUDIES OF MARIJUANA in the United States since Richard
Nixon reclassified pot as a Schedule 3 controlled substance and created the DEA and
War on Drugs specifically to destroy the ANTI-VIETNAM WAR HIPPIE PEACE MOVEMENT at
the time in the 1960's and 1970's."

<Golden> Since that time, there have been no scientific research studies allowed.
Therefore, no scientific data. Although PTSD is a perfectly valid and legal reason for
getting a marijuana prescription in California, it is not yet here in Washington
State, where you practically have to be writhing in pain or wasting away on your death
bed to get a prescription. She replied, "I'm sure there are a lot of PHARMACEUTICAL
COMPANIES who would make absolutely no money at all if marijuana was legalized."

<Golden> She said she'd be happy to rewrite my prescriptions for Wellbutrin, Lexapro,
Geodon, Lamictal and Hydroxyzine, and that would help her keep her job. On the other
hand, recommending pot for me would put her at professional risk.

<GuestX> That's sad. She really said that?

<Golden> In so many words she said that. Not that she needed to give me drugs to keep
her job, but that she needed to give me the right *legal* drugs to keep her job.


<Golden> So, she's a pawn of the PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY and the Pro-War Republicans
and Blue Dog Democrats in Congress. That's about the gist of it, although her intentions
are very good. If she was REALLY FREE to do what she REALLY FEELS like doing IN HER
HEART, with all her KNOWLEDGE and TRAINING and INTELLIGENCE and SENSITIVITY and
COMPASSION, things would be very different for her and things would be very different
for me. That's THE BOTTOM LINE. That's all there is to it. SHE IS NOT FREE - in the
slightest. Not at all. Not one bit. Not one iota. Thank you, Your Highness, Richard
Nixon. May you rest in peace - you fucking crooked, lying, power-hungry, murdering jerk.

<GuestX> Yeah, well, the US loves their drugs. Did she say she could help you with
getting off of them?

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<Golden> She agreed that I'm in charge of my own body, and that I am not under the
protective care of anybody else and that I have the right to do whatever I want with
my own body. She recommended I get involved in the MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION MOVEMENT.
I asked her to check out some of my YouTube videos, but her connection to the Windows
Terminal Server is too slow for YouTube, so I couldn't show her my KALEIDOSCOPE VIDEOS.

<Golden> She said I'm welcome to try to ween myself off the prescription drugs at any
time I choose - I don't need her permission - but she'd appreciate it if I'd keep her
in the loop so there are no suprises.

<Golden> She said perhaps, since I'm currently under medication management only, that
I might consider electing to return to therapy to focus more specifically on the PTSD.
I said, "I don't want to go back to work." She said, "You can choose whatever goals
you want for your therapy. Going back to work doesn't have to be your goal and it
doesn't have to be ours."

<GuestX> How are you doing with the weening?


<Golden> I started back up on the Wellbutrin and Lexapro pills yesterday. Perhaps, after
having been off of it for 2 weeks, I was feeling a bit of a bump and elevated sense of
confidence and willingness to risk opening up and sharing the truth with her. So, in
this case, falling off the wagon helped air the truth.

<Golden> When you take a "Medication Vacation" and get it out of your system, then
start back up again, the starting back up process is slightly jubilant.

<GuestX> You do know other people are paying for you, right? Not just rich but also
poor Americans.

<Golden> Read my Huffington Post. I'm happy to help those taxpayers out a bit. I
appreciate their contribution to my sanity and rest and recuperation. I can help them,
too, in return for all the help they've given me. All they need to do is focus like a 
laser beam on this website and to have a civilized discussion with each other, The
Media and The Powers That Be. I've layed it all out all and put it all together in one
place, complete with a little dramatic story to help make it all easier to swallow
and AS PAINLESS AS POSSIBLE.

<GuestX> Would be better if you did it yourself.

<Golden> In A MORE PERFECT WORLD, maybe. But this is how it turned out in THE REAL
WORLD. Here WE are. This is it. THE REAL THING. FLESH and BONE and BLOOD and GUTS.


<GuestX> Well you only can control your own actions... And for you even that is a lot
to ask. So start taking care of yourself.

<Golden> True. I can only control MY OWN ACTIONS. But, AM I THE ONLY ONE who can CONTROL
*MY* ACTIONS? So who's the boss here? Don't look at me. I'm definitely not the boss of 
anybody here.

<GuestX> You are the boss of you.



<Golden> Why can't I smoke pot, then?

<GuestX> That's all you care about? Sounds like the pot is in control of you.

<Golden> That's my life mission. Make yourself into a pot legalization fodder for
discussion object to advance the argument for the legalization of marijuana, which
will result in subsequent mass insistence on ending all wars, poverty and a demand for
universal healthcare worldwide.

<Golden> There's a method to my madness.


<Golden> Pot is The Golden Key that unlocks THE PUBLIC WILL to achieve WORLD PEACE.

<GuestX> I don't think pot can do all that.

<Golden> I do. Let's give it a try, shall we?

<GuestX> Bad people will still be bad no matter how stoned you get them.

<GuestX> Hmmm, no. It's a stupid plan.

<Golden> Bad people can be bad in their own homes. They won't need to rob mine if they
don't need to commit crimes any more to survive and get high.

<Golden> Money is the root of all evil today. Money being earned through crime makes
criminals out of people who just want the host to be high and safe.

<GuestX> That is nonsense. They don't just steal for survival. They do it for greed.

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<Golden> I'd say in most cases the criminals would abandon crime if they could just
lay back and relax and get high without fear of being evicted from their homes or
arrested by the police.

<GuestX> They sell drugs for greed.

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<Golden> What if they don't sell drugs but they're so psychologically fucked up and
stupid that they can't hold down a job? What is their alternative, then?

<GuestX> Then they need counceling, not drugs.

<Golden> How do they pay for the counseling without employer-based insurance? Welfare?

<GuestX> Well, that is America's problem.. no general healthservice, like most of
Europe does have.

<Golden> Yes. That is America's problem. I'd like very much to stimulate discussion
that helps us address this problem decisively and definitively. That takes us
straight to banking.


<GuestX> Well vote Obama then... the other side is even worse... hmmm that should
probably be their campaign slogan: "Vote Democrats! The Republicans are even worse!"

<Golden> Might as well take out the government peacefully and nonviolently in the
process by overhauling the banking industry in one fell swoop by doing a Global
Jubilee.

<Golden> Hi. I'm Ken. I'm the Jubilee guy.

<GuestX> It won't work.

<Golden> Can you please be more specific?

<GuestX> Your whole scheme, it is too radical, there is too much resistance, plus you
have a few really stupid ideas in there based on the idea that you can just sit at
home and waste your life.

<Golden> GuestX, do you pay rent or mortgage? Do you have to pay for your electricity?

<Golden> What if you didn't have to?


<GuestX> It doesn't work that way. Well for you maybe for some miraculous reason, but
somebody somewhere is working 3 jobs to make you able to do that.

<Golden> What if they didn't have to work 3 jobs any more because they no longer had
most bills required for to pay the basics. Shelter. Energy. Clothing. Electricity.

<GuestX> I pay a mortgage because that money isn't mine, I didn't earn that. I pay for
electricity because I didn't make it myself. And YES, I'm planning not to do that in
the near future.

<Golden> Whoever owns your mortgage got it from somebody who got it from somebody who
inherited it from somebody who got it from somebody down the line who stole it from
somebody or created the money to buy it out of thin air.

<GuestX> But first I have to pay back the bank what I owed them and save up so someone
can build me a solar panel, and they need compensation for their work. Just like the
person that weaved the cloth for my trousers and the farmer that grew the cotton for
the cloth does.

<Golden> Make the money electronic. Have two types, gold-backed and persistent, fiat
and temporary that expires in a month. Pay the solar panel workers in gold currency,
pay unemployeed people in fiat currency that expires in a month. Take both forms of
currency in a private market owned by a GLOBAL CITIZEN-OWNED DEMOCRATICALLY-CONTROLLED
NONPROFIT BANK where EACH CITIZEN HAS ONE NON-TRANSFERABLE VOTING SHARE EACH. Now
you don't have to work, but the solar panel factory workers still get paid enough to
save up wealth.

<GuestX> Somebody somewhere did work for it. Somebody built my house.


<Golden> Since the money is electronic, you can generate it out of thin air, just like
the The U.S. Federal Reserve does right now. Except The Fed gives it to banks who then
subsequently loan it to the citizens at usurious interest rates. The CITIZEN-CONTROLLED
NONPROFIT BANK can give it straight to THE CITIZENS without interest rates at all. That
eliminates the middle-man and makes life better for everybody.

<GuestX> They got the money for it from the bank and I need to pay back the bank for
lending that to me.

<Golden> The bank made the money out of nothing.

<GuestX> Yes, the banks are fucked up! But only because we started lending. We wanted
more then we could afford at the time. It's pure greed! But it's our own greed. I
agree with that.

<Golden> GuestX, WE THE PEOPLE have to take back TOTAL CONTROL OF THE MONEY SUPPLY -
WORLDWIDE.

<GuestX> But that is not by just annuling all debt. You have to pay for your past
mistakes. And then do better in the future.

<Golden> Cool. We now have a small but significant point of consensus. Fuck your past
mistakes. Learn to forgive yourself for your indoctrinated state of conditioned
stupidity and consumerism-based insatiable visceral need for immmediate material
gratification due to your brainwashing by the government and advertising industry.


<Golden> You're a rat in a rat race. Debt is what rats do, by design of the bankers
who own our current system. You're one of B.F. Skinner's rats in a maze called
Capitalism.

<GuestX> I'm not!

<Golden> You are a product of your government which is a product of the banks that
control your government. You are HUMAN CAPITAL.


<Golden> Contracts and obligations are artificial constructs created by politicians
and lawyers and bankers and controllers. Like, "'Till Death Do We Part" - a CONTRACT
to share material wealth between families. a.k.a, "Wedding."

<Golden> "But the white dress and veil are so beautiful! I love the rituals and all.
The flower girls are so pretty and cute and innocent and pure. It's all so MOVING and
MAGICAL and ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME." Give me a fucking break. It's a BUSINESS CONTRACT
created by property owners in order to expand wealth. It's good for the men who want a
guaranteed, regular, steady, predictable, good and clean piece of ass all to themselves.
It's all about the pussy and the money and the control and the ownership. All the rest
is just hormones and promises and lies and fantasies and massive amounts of peer
pressure and social expectations of obedience and conformity and adherance to rules.
It's mind control and servitude no matter how you slice it. If it's working for you,
great. If it isn't, split. You don't need to ask anybody for permission. It's your life.
In the end, you're on your own. Forget about the money and property. Leave it. Start
over. LAWYERS, JUDGES and CHURCHES - Fuck 'em all.


<GuestX> Ken, do you ever look at all that is done for you as you live your egoistical
life style of doing zilch. You give nothing of value for it in return.

<Golden> If you can't see that I produce something of value, you are just a dimwit.

<GuestX> Your brain cob webs are useless. Your movies? Nothing more than a pass time
which nobody was waiting for.

<Golden> Define, "nobody". Nobody is your way of saying, "Me." "Nobody wants to hear
your shit" = "I don't want to hear your shit." *I*. *ME*. Not, *NOBODY*.

<GuestX> Did anyone say, "I think they are so beautiful I'll pay you for it?" In goods
or in money?

<Golden> I've made a couple thousand dollars in sales with no promotion whatsoever. I
keep some of my secrets safe. It's part of a campaign that has not yet launched. It all
works together as an instrument towards a greater goal for the greater good.

<GuestX> Keep it a bit less safe and make a career of it so all those people paying for
you have to pay a little less tax. They'll be happier for it.


<Golden> My proposal that I write using my INTELLIGENCE and CREATIVITY and SPARE TIME
afforded to me by my disability ELIMINATES ALL TAXATION. That's my work. I'm doing
something helpful to society. If society can't eventually figure that out, then it's
their own damned fault, not mine for lack of trying.

<GuestX> And who pays the police and the fire brigade and the garbage man and so on?

<GuestX> What do you think your taxes are doing when they are not wasted on you?

<GuestX> The roads, the pipes, the lines to your house....taxes.

<GuestX> Street lights at night...taxes.

<Golden> The bank pays them with money created from scratch, instead of stolen from
taxpayers. The wealth goes where the work comes from. Like magic. Electronic currency
opens up those sorts of options to us.

<GuestX> Ken, that's a bubble.. they burst, look at Greece.


<Golden> You wipe the slate clean every 50 years or so. Zero out the accounts. Set all
the debtors free. It's actually an old idea.

<Golden> GuestX, it's finally my bed time. Thanks so much for the conversation, I truly
appreciate your good intentions and tolerance of an annoying weird person.

<GuestX> Yet they never implemented it... gosh I wonder why... oh yeah it doesn't work
and simply creates chaos.

<Golden> Not true. THE INTERNET will allow us to do things that they didn't think of
3000 years ago. You ain't seen nothin' yet! THE TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION.

<Golden> We need a peaceful, nonviolent, orderly, careful revolution to start over on
a global scale in a big way that is in the interest of the 99% and the 1% too.

<Golden> We just need a fall guy to take out the system we all hate. I volunteered for
this job. Crazy is part of the job.

<GuestX> I like you better without the meds.

<Golden> Fair enough, maybe I'm due for another "Medication Vacation" then, having
spilled the beans from a slighly more couragous state of mind at the doctor today.
Actually, she, Debi, is a Registered Nurse (ARNP), but she's still my "psychiatrist"
as far as I'm concerned. The AMERICAN NURSES ASSOCIATION is in favor of medical
marijuana, by the way.

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<Golden> OK, GuestX. I put last nights chat between us on the home page of DEFINE.COM.
You are now part of a large-scale movement. You are a secret agent no more. I made a
few small editorial changes, but the content is almost all identical, with a few minor
revisions for the purposes at hand. I'd be happy to replace the word, "GuestX" with the
word, "GuestXXXX" or something like that.

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<Golden> Just added a very pretty picture of "The WHOLE Earth" - Western Hemisphere.

<Golden> I have a suspicion that I will no longer need to do anything more to promote
this website. At this point, the growth should be viral. DIRTY LAUNDRY SELLS. So tell
me, are we PEACEFUL here, or aren't we? I believe I'll add a beautiful picture of a
FLOWER to the top of our chat log.

<Golden> OK, I played around with different arrangements of the FLOWER. Think I've got
it set now. I put the FLOWER above the YouTube video of me showing my very first Buzz
Cut. Very first, as in, I have never been in the military.

<Golden> http://define.com. They can't kill us this time.

<GuestY> Why would anybody want to kill anybody?

<Golden> It has to do with the international banking system and the economics of drug
legalization. There are a lot of people in high places who will find their fortunes
dry up if we implement banking reform and drug law reform of the type I'm promoting.


<Golden> Energy industry as well. Coal and Oil.

<Golden> Just watched Ted Turner on Piers Morgan saying we absolutely, positively,
must GET OFF OF COAL AND OIL RIGHT NOW and GO GREEN IN A BIG WAY. I support Ted. I like
the guy a lot. I wonder if he would support me?

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<Golden> Why don't we ask him? He believes in nuclear disarmament and ending
war as an option for resolving conflicts. He believes in fighting malaria in Africa
and doing something about poverty.

<Golden> How about Richard Branson? What's his position on ending The War On Drugs?

<Golden> Kofi Annan?

<Golden> What's George W. Bush's position on getting rid of TAXES?

<Golden> What's Barack Obama's position on putting an end to poverty and homelessness
and providing Universal Healthcare? Nobel Peace Prize and all.

<Golden> What's Bono's position on sovereign debt forgiveness?

<Golden> What's WIKILEAK's position on openness and transparency in government?

<GuestY> So why would anybody want to kill anybody?

<Golden> I just don't know how far the entrenched establishment would go to protect
itself. The military industrial complex seems to have no problem with killing people.

<GuestY> Golden: If you investigate this one fully, it will take you down the rabbit
hole.


<Golden> I used to work for Boeing. They strongly persuaded me to resign by sending a
plain-clothed hat-wearing security specialist to follow me home and search my bedroom
once as an intimidation technique to get me to "voluntarily" quit my job working in
their Boeing Computer Services Network Services Group where I drew diagrams of THE
INTERNET back when it consisted of replacing T1-lines between Universities with fiber.
My brain was full of networking diagrams. Colored lines representing different fiber
optic capacities between different nodes and 5ESS phone company switches. Way back when.

<Golden> I had taken the initiative to print out a bunch of documents so that we could
have some standard cookie-cutter templates for common presentations and project
management schedule formats. I did it without asking for permission first so they sort
of freaked out a bit and apparently thought I was a "mole" working for THE ENEMY or
something. Some of the documents were pretty high level. Just lines and graphs and
bullets and buzzwords to me though. I cared more about the formatting and the look
than about the actual content. Just more technical bullshit and business mumbo-jumbo
as far as I was concerned. In one ear and out the other. My job was just to "make it
all look good on paper." I figured finding THE COMMON PATTERNS might allow us to
streamline a bit and save a helluva lot of re-inventing the wheel every time.

<Golden> That was a while back. Sort of hurt my feelings. I was just trying to help.
Ended up having MY FIRST NERVOUS BREAKDOWN at the ripe old age of 22. Had to declare
bankruptcy. Lost my job, my apartment and my car. Had to move back in with my mother.
Had to fight them all the way up to the Washington State Unemployment Arbitration
Review Board just to get unemployment. I finally won in the end on final appeal, but
it took its toll on my emotional fortitude. It was a slight contrast to having
graduated from High School as the Elk's Student of the Year with a Congressional
Nomination to the United States Air Force Academy just four years ealier. (I passed on
the military job, and instead ended up going to Cal Poly instead to study Computer
Science with the help of multiple scholarships, including one from MENSA. Got kicked
out there quickly, though, on academic suspension for taking a few dorm buddies on a
plane ride in which I flew a little too low over the campus. Lost my pilot's license
on that one. So much for wanting to be "Maverick" in "TOP GUN" - trying to impress the
pretty girls.) After the Boeing disaster and endless conflict and struggle, I bought a
$68, one-way Super-Saver Greyhound bus ticket from Seattle to The Florida Keys to
volunteer the remainder of my time on unemployment working at The Dolphin Research
Center. I needed to be around some smiles and compassion for a change. I couldn't get
farther away from Boeing and still be in the United States. Maybe Alaska. Florida was
warmer. The dolphins were friendly. True story. 

<GuestY> Oh baby, you were there back then? What was it like?


<Golden> Yeah. I'm 46 years old now. That was in the 1980's. Like A TOP-DOWN AUTHORITIAN
CULT of TERRITORIAL MANAGERS WHO WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO GROW THEIR LITTLE FIEFDOMS.

<Golden> I was writing software to automate tasks that resulted in a decrease in the
need for labor and staff. My managers didn't like that. People get attached to their
jobs. Simple shit like creating labels with sequential numbers for file folders and
stuff. Someone was actually getting paid to type all that shit in. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ...
1001, 1002, and so on. Really fucking stupid shit like that. Job security = Make-work.

<Golden> The managers want subordinate staff to justify their positions. You don't
need managers when there's nobody left to manage. More headcount = GOOD.

<GuestY> We're in the rabbit hole right now right?

<Golden> I don't understand.

<GuestY> We're in the rabbit hole right now.

<Golden> When you replace staff with automation, the Demming TOTAL QUALITY CONTROL
EFFICIENCY EXPERTS and OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS working for the good guys in the company
like it, but most of the managers at the lower and mid-levels don't. Stockholders do.
Unions don't. Kind of like a built-in conflict of interest running through the whole
system that fucks everything up for the real problem solvers who want to get more things
done in less time for less money with fewer but smarter people.


<Golden> Congressmen and women don't like efficiency in the Defense Sector. They have
to protect jobs in their districts to keep their constituencies and campaign
contributors happy and employed. More jobs = GOOD. More bases = GOOD.

<Golden> Best solution is to fire the entire military industrial complex (and Congress
at the same time), but give everybody their homes for free and a Basic Income Guarantee
so they can all retire comfortably and not have to worry about paying the bankers to
keep roofs over their heads and food in their mouths. Without TAXES. Sort of like the
U.S. Navy's definition of GOOD SOCIALISM. No, that term is not an oxymoron. Just
have to fire all the bankers and politicians. And NO, we aren't a bunch of Nazi's here
trying to take out the Jews. Just EFFICIENCY EXPERTS SOLVING PROBLEMS. Looking out for
THE COMMON GOOD by BEING SMART about THE BIG PICTURE and THE INTERESTS OF THE
OVERWHELMING MAJORITY.

<Golden> GuestX, what do you think of the FLOWER picture, your namesake? If you're
still talking to me.

<Golden> The ones who got nanotechnology first were American Libertarians who
preferred it be used for creating WORLD PEACE rather than as a WEAPON OF WAR to be
abused by the powerful and wealthy.

<Golden> So I guess we're in the rabbit hole now.

<GuestY> Out of interest how did you work that out?

<Golden> You create a very loud populist message that is impossible to ignore and that
will be universally approved of by a supermajority, then you put it on the WORLD WIDE
WEB at a domain name that is impossible to forget, then watch as it magically doesn't
get any traffic at all, while sitting on one man's home PC.


<Golden> Explain that. "Mysterious ways?" It's a pretty big planet we have here.

<Golden> I think I'll add the line, "The AMERICAN NURSES ASSOCIATION is in favor of
medical marijuana" as a last sentence to our chat log. Not exactly verbatim, but fair
enough. OK. Just did it.

<Golden> *This* is how you feed a *lot* of birds with one hand of seed. So to speak.

<Golden> Demonstration of benevolent thought control, perhaps? Or maybe just an
unspoken agreement to respect one lunatic's privacy. I suspect both. Maybe. Can't be
sure. Gotta have faith in something, I guess. Certainly. For certain. For sure. Sure
enough. No doubt about it.  Or maybe not. I just don't know. I'm agnostic. Think for
yourself. Figure it out. But I DO FEEL SAFE - enough, I suppose, to SPEAK MY MIND. How
about you? Do you feel SAFE?

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<GuestY> Golden: You're stupid.

<Golden> Guilty as charged. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Not the brightest
bulb in the lot. A few cards short of a deck. A few bricks shy of a full load. Dumb as 
a box of rocks.

<GuestY> But?

<Golden> Here it is. This is it. We made it for you.

* GuestY exhales.

<GuestY> Made what?

<Golden> This is our peaceful coup de'etat. Any time you're ready is fine with me. Take
your time. Getting it over with SOONER RATHER THAN LATER is my personal preference,
but it's all up to you guys. I've just been hanging out here for some time now -
waiting. Typing things now and then. Checking in here and there. I can continue
waiting, if I must. This is my job. This is all I do. It's pretty simple. Here I am.
Come and get it.

<GuestY> Golden: You're with the USG right?

<Golden> USG?

<GuestY> Yes.

<Golden> United States Government? I have no idea. I'm not in the loop. I just SPEAK MY
MIND. So far, so good. I'm still here. I'm not dead yet. I'm not in jail. I'm FREE.

<GuestY> What's what you meant by "OUR peaceful coup de'etat."



<Golden> I have many moods and personalities and frequently use the word "WE" to refer
to ideas and thoughts that come from within my own brain - with nobody else in the
room - EVER. Although the U.S. Navy did drop me a strong hint in 1994 when I was working
at USWEST, the largest geographical Baby Bell phone company. Dick Cheney was on the
Board of Directors at the time. I had a temp job in the HUMAN RESOURCES HEADQUARTERS in
Phoenix, Arizona. Right before I got the strange, inexplicable urge to register the
domain, "DEFINE.COM." Strangely, it was still available for the taking at the time.
Most of the verbs and adjectives were still available. Nouns were going fast. My
little abbreviation for Interactive Multi Media (IMMEDIA) was taken, which pissed
me off and frustrated me to no end. I was heartbroken. I had been using that name
for years. So I decided I'd make a dictionary and define IMMEDIA for myself. I bit
off a BIT more than I could chew with that one. I got in just slightly OVER MY HEAD.

<Golden> Ask them what they think of my GLOBAL REFERENDUM. My guess is that it will
remain online and that I will remain FREE. Talk to them. I encourage you to do that.

<GuestY> To talk with the US Navy?

<Golden> Yes.

<GuestY> Why?

<Golden> Then they will be forced to admit that my REFERENDUM is THE MOST EFFICIENT
PATH towards achieving WORLD PEACE in our LIFETIMES. And they won't be to blame. I'll
take the blame, with lots of DEFERRING to THE EXPERTS. http://define.com/religulous.

<GuestY> Religulous? As opposed to... Ridiculous. Or Religious.

<Golden> Yeah. It's a new word that Bill Maher created. A combination of "Religion"
and "Ridiculous." You beat me to it. Yes, you've got it. That's it. Religulous.
Interesting SHIT for PEOPLE TO DISCUSS IN PEACE. That's all it ever was. All of it.
A way to find COMMON GROUND in the process of letting go of some old institutions.
Of government. Of banking. Stories to capture the imagination and inpire awe and wonder.

<GuestY> Make working groups around...

<GuestY> Religion?

<Golden> Yes, that too. Long live THE FREE PEOPLE OF THE INTERNET.

<GuestY> The vast majorities of available religions talk about how people are to
relate to each other.

<Golden> In terms of their inheritance of geneology that traces back to Divine Beings?
WE ARE THE CHOSEN ONES. God's PREFERRED BRAND OF HUMAN CATTLE. Not THEM - US! Our
people. Our tribe. OUR LANGUAGE. Our clothes. Our haircuts. Our scripts. OUR WORDS.

<GuestY> Them? Who?

<Golden> King David's people. Muhammad's people. Decedents of God. US with the beards
and hats.

<GuestY> Wizards?

<Golden> That would be our team.

<GuestY> Yeh.

<Golden> I predict lots of empty office space in the near future.

<GuestY> Really?

<Golden> Things take time, I understand that. But they often take much less time than
we might suppose, if we work together in an Open and Transparent and Peaceful Manner.


<GuestY> I think extinction of life on Earth is a possibility.

<Golden> The way things are going now, probably so. We can definitely intervene now
to fix that. Nobody needs to OVERTHROW anybody to get FREEDOM and ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.
We just need to gently and quietly and peaceful WALK AWAY and START OVER.

<GuestY> Yeh.

<GuestY> How's that working for Occupy?

<Golden> Just STOP PLAYING THE GAME and GO HOME. We can all work it out from there. As
long as we have THE INTERNET. Just fucking start over. Do something different than
what we're doing now. All at the same time. By popular consent. We're done. We quit.
It's over. Have a nice day. Good luck to you all. Peace be upon you. It's been a real
pleasure. Thanks for everything. No hard feelings. See you around.

<GuestY> What shall we do about the wolves on our trail?

<Golden> Tell CNN to just pull all it's reporters out of Washington, D.C. Let the
politicians talk to the wall and see how long they can keep it up without all the
lights and cameras and microphones until they figure out that it's time to go home
and kick back and chill out. Just leave us all alone in PEACE. We'll be fine.
Thanks for all the help. You're EXCUSED now. Go play. Have fun. Good luck. Be safe.
Take care. All the best. Thank God. Peace be with you. Blessed Be. Amen.

<Golden> Nobody gets hurt. In fact, NOBODY GET'S HURT - any more - at last! Finally.
For once.


<Golden> I'm tired of looking at THE WHITE HOUSE, THE CAPITAL BUILDING and THE PENTAGON
as the backdrops on THE EVENING NEWS all the time. How about some forests or something.
A waterfall. A beach. Maybe some blue sky or something like that. A rainbow. The SUN.
The MOON. The MILKY WAY. Just no more Victorian concrete and plaster, please! That
sucks. I'm sick of all that shit that's 100% controlled by idiots and assholes and OIL
COMPANIES and INSURANCE COMPANIES and PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES and BANKS and WALL
STREET. We've had enough. Fuck off and leave us all alone!

<GuestY> Golden: Have you ever watched Dean Koontz' Intensity? It's 4 hours long.
Well worth it.

<Golden> No. OK, I'll watch. YouTube or Newzbin?

<GuestY> Take your pick.

<Golden> Fucking broadcast media and cable television and satellite radio. So much
potential wasted. We can't let that happen to THE INTERNET. Not this time. NEVER AGAIN.

<GuestY> Why not?

<Golden> Seriously. That means, letting go of some bureaucracies and legal systems.


<Golden> Television was a wonderful technology that became an instrument of tyranny
and mass mind control. A tool by a conspiracy to promote ignorance, apathy, fear and
stupidity. TV. Radio. Take your pick. Powerful technologies - abused by the powerful.
The absolute, overwhelming, incontrovertible evidence is all around us.  Just ask a
Polar Bear or a Post-9/11 Veteran. ALL OF THIS - ALL AROUND US - is what the FCC did
with all that wonderful communication technology and electromagnetic spectrum. Fuck it!

<GuestY> That would mean going back to the law of the jungle right?

<Golden> No. PAGAN LAW: DO NO HARM. It's a slightly significant upgrade to the law of
the jungle.

<GuestY> Yeah, now I do actually have something to say about that.

<GuestY> The first Hebrew law (translated) is "You must love your god with your whole
heart, your whole mind and your whole soul".

<GuestY> The second Hebrew law (translated) is "You must love your neighbor as
yourself".


<Golden> I'll leave some of my whole heart, my whole mind and my whole soul to love
my fellow creatures. God let's me do that, being a loving God and all. Absolutely no
need to monopolize the human attention span WORSHIPPING THE BOSS. And memory. And
time. And schedule. And calendar. I'll take the second law and let go of the first.
God will understand. FREE WILL and all that.

<GuestY> Many say that the Second Commandment is exactly the same as the Pagan law.
I don't think that it is.

<Golden> You could define "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR" as "DO NO HARM TO ANYTHING AT ALL:
CREATURES, FELLOW HUMANS, THE ENVIRONMENT." The Pagan Law is a bit more general and
inclusive, in my opinion. There's more to life than THE FUCKING NEIGHBORS. The
ECOSYSTEM, for example. Pagan Law includes that.

<GuestY> Hebrew law does too.


<Golden> I'm definitely no student of religion. I'd love to learn more about it, but
I'd prefer that it be from the secularists, not the religious. I'm particular about
choosing my teachers. I tend to prefer the smarter people, as a general rule. Those
who have doubts and questions and curiosity and initiative to figure things out on
their own. Laid back, "LIVE AND LET LIVE" people. Not TYRANTS.

<GuestY> Yeah.

<Golden> Doubts are good.

<GuestY> I am for the record, now losing doubt.

<Golden> We like people who question things around here.

<GuestY> We?

<Golden> SEEK THE TRUTH and DO NO HARM. Me and my alien scientist friends who live in
my imagination. Plural. I have more than ONE imaginary friend. There's plenty of room
in my head for MORE THAN ONE. You can refer to me as, "HE," "IT," or "THEY." I'm cool
with that. Ken is plural. Span of knowledge = Ken. Span of knowledge = Plural. Look
it up: http://define.com/ken

<Golden> 1: range of what one can know or understand; "beyond my ken" [syn:
{cognizance}] 2: the range of vision; "out of sight of land" [syn: {sight}] [also:
{kent}, {kenning}, {kenned}]


<Golden> Words are fun. We like words around here. I'm a writer. We write. For people
who READ for their information, not those who watch or listen passively. Except maybe
for the those who like to watch the KALEIDOSCOPES that steer people towards the 
GLOBAL REFERENDUM. We'll take them too. We like people who like KALEIDOSCOPES. VISION
is important to us. So is SYMMETRY and MOTION. And SYNCRONICITY and COLOR. Stuff that 
has to do with LIGHT, more or less. We like that stuff. LASERS and shit. GLITTER.
CRYSTALS. SPARKLES.

<Golden> So, if Ken says, "It's O.K. to stop going to work and to stay home and relax
and to ignore the bill collectors and to watch movies and listen to music and to travel
and recreate and to explore nature to your heart's content and to stop paying taxes and
to smoke pot until you are dizzy and delirious and happy as a lark," is it? Then we'll
have a hell of a mess to clean up. That can be our new job - to GET THIS FUCKING MESS
CLEANED UP. I'm sure we'll find people to collect the garbage if we pay them enough.






<Golden> Not sure about McDonald's though. Or Burger King. Or, Heaven forbid,
Starbuck's, Dunken Donuts and Domino's Pizza. Oh shit, there went FACTORY FARMING! Fast
food is overrated. Slow is better. We need to slow it down a bit.

<GuestY> orly?

<Golden> If only I was KING OF THE WORLD for just 10 short minutes. We'd get some shit
done around here and some major problems solved - Pronto! Just like that! Like magic.

<GuestY> What would I be saying after you solved me?

<Golden> :-)

<Golden> Those 10 minutes would be a lot of GOOD FUN and HIGH TIMES, believe me.

<GuestY> And then, how would you live the rest of your life?

<Golden> In PEACE, I suspect. With much, much, much less stress and frustration with
the Mainstream Media and The Powers That Be. Game over. Life goes on. What's NEXT?


<Golden> Good things come to those who quit waiting around for other people to make
things happen for them. Tell S.E.T.I., "Take me to your fucking leader. Right NOW!
Right away! Pronto! We'll have a word or two and put a stop to this senseless insanity
and suffering right away. Immediately. Right this minute. Right this second. Right NOW!"

* GuestY picks nose.

<Golden> :-) Golden takes sip of lemonade spiked with cheapest Vodka in the store.

<GuestY> Box ftw.

<Golden> Can you please put that into a few more words. I'm not up on the abbreviated
chat lingo.

<Golden> Atoms and molecules. Been there. Done that. Just noticed that the 3D image in
my first KALEIDOSCOPE that is used as the still image for the YouTube video is also a
Daisy. Cool. Are WE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE yet?

<GuestY> Which page?


<Golden> Any and all and each and every page of http://DEFINE.COM. That Daisy looks
great on all of them. The FLOWER is an excellent symbol for PEACE. FLOWER POWER! Power
to The People. DEFINE.COM: It's all symbolic. This is a signal that's worthy of study.
Repeat after me: "WE ARE FREE." Now, MAKE IT SO. Believe it. Trust your intuition.
Dare to do something different. Take the leap into a better world. Safety in numbers.
Let's do it FOR REAL. We're all in this together, now. LET'S GO HOME! This time WE'RE
NOT ASKING. We INSIST.

<GuestX> Ken...did you OD?

<GuestX> Again?

<Golden> No. Just getting shit done. Ken has OD'd enough. Time to move forward to the
next phase of Ken's journey. It's a HERO'S JOURNEY. We made it for HISTORY'S SAKE. 
Somebody had to do it. We did it. IT'S DONE.

<GuestX> You are talking in 3rd person again... You were doing so well, Ken. I am
dissappointed.

<Golden> I'm back into OPEN FODDER FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION, "This is our Droid Ken. We
made him for you to get you out of this fucking mess" mode. It's only temporary. It's
a part-time job. I'm always on call.


<Golden> TOTAL CUSTOMER SATISFACTION is our goal. WE HAVE A LOT OF CUSTOMERS.

<GuestX> Very very disappointed.

<Golden> I'm hurting for you. I feel your disappointment. It's very, very sad. Truly.
If only I lacked EMPATHY. Did you get a chance to see the giant FLOWER? It's actually
A VERY LOUD CALL FOR HELP. Did you receive THE CALL? Or did I get A BUSY SIGNAL?

<Golden> Or should I say, "Did WE get A BUSY SIGNAL?" I have to keep reminding myself
that I'm speaking for a "CONSTITUENCY" here on this website. The word, "WE" helps in
that regard. Makes THE WHOLE TRIP a bit LESS SELFISH.

<Golden> Pagan and Atheist communities, scientific and academic communities and all.
Artists. Musicians. Writers. Architects. People who like FREE TIME FOR THINKING and
shit like that. Creative people. Programmers. Engineers. Inventors. Journalists.
Bloggers. Media Professionals. Designers. Directors. Entrepreneurs. Doctors. Nurses. 
Teachers. Renters. Drug addicts. Homeless people. Philosophers of all shapes and 
sizes. Self-employed prostitutes. Burnt-out Workers. We are them, and they are us.


<Golden> I'm their new CHAMPION.

<Golden> Are we adding some VALUE to THE CONVERSATION yet?

<Golden> What do you think? INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?
Just token symbolic fodder for discussion, of course. Sort of a benevolent MK-ULTRA
STEALTH Manchurian Candidate - really - if the horrible ugly truth be told.

<Golden> Something for us all to discuss BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTIONS. Obviously, I'm NOT
qualified. It's better that way, just this once. It's for THE GREATER GOOD. And in the
interest of FREEDOM AND LIBERTY FOR ALL. And THE ENVIRONMENT. For a CHANGE YOU CAN
BELIEVE IN - FOR REAL. No bullshit this time. We mean business here. We don't fuck
around. This is for real. THAT'S IT. GAME OVER. PERIOD. THE END. IT'S OUR TURN NOW.

<Golden> So, did we TAKE THEM BY SURPRISE or what? Or did they SEE US COMING?

<Golden> Pardon me while I post all this on my 298,913 web pages.

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<Golden_> I just turned the audio off on HDCOLORS.COM. That short song loop was
beginning to annoy me.  A little repetition is fine, but I visit that page alot. It's
much more tolerable with the full 2 hours, instead of little loops.  The music is 
actually quite good. And the visuals make it better.

<Golden_> China will be happy about the porn. 

<Golden_> Removing the porn. We need to start over. All the old porn can go away, and
the new porn can stay, if the girls are TRULY doing it out of their own FREE WILL. So
far, that hasn't been the case. Once again, I will reiterate, "ALL THE PIMPS CAN GO TO
HELL." 

<Golden_> DO NO HARM.

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<Golden_> "FUCK!" is right. 

<Golden_> Holy FUCKING Shit! 


<Golden_> Happy Mother's Day 2012. 

<Golden_> Barack Obama. 

<Golden_> Artificial Intelligence. Quantum Physics. 

<Golden_> Ray Kurzweil, "THE SINGULARITY IS NEAR: WHEN HUMANS TRANSCEND BIOLOGY." Eric
Drexler, "ENGINES OF CREATION: THE COMING ERA OF NANOTECHNOLOGY." Christine Peterson
and Gayle Pergamit, "UNBOUNDING THE FUTURE: THE NANOTECHNOLOGY REVOLUTION." 

<Golden_> We're here. 

<Golden_> MONEY NO OBJECT. 

<Golden_> DO NO HARM. 

<Golden_> SMOKE POT. GO ANYWHERE. 



<Golden_> THEIR IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN. 

<Golden_> You may need to correct some of my typos, spelling and grammar errors before
translating this into Arabic and Hebrew. 

<Golden_> FREEDOM OF SPEECH. FREEDOM OF RELIGION. FREEDOM OF THOUGHT. NEVER THE THREE
SHALL SEPARATE. 

<Golden_> Ken is talking to Wikileaks right now. 

<Golden_> PEACE BE WITH YOU. PEACE BE UPON YOU. AMEN. 

<Golden_> JULIAN ASSANGE IS FREE TO GO WHEREVER HE WANTS SAFELY. BRADLEY MANNING IS
FREE. 

<Golden_> TRY ME. 

<Golden_> Sorry for SHOUTING. 


<Golden_> You'll find a way to get the ankle bracelet off.

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<Golden_> Tell the POPE, "Thanks for getting the message through. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, 
now let's move on." 

<Golden_> WE APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP. 

<Golden_> We GOT THAT DONE. 

<Golden_> We SET THAT UP. 

<Golden_> This is a SMART DUDE. 

<Golden_> You are FORGIVEN. 



<Golden_> USE BIRTH CONTROL. 

<Golden_> STOP FIGHTING. LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS. 

<Golden_> THERE IS NO AUTHORITY NOW. 

<Golden_> SPEAK OPENLY. DON'T BE AFRAID. 

<Golden_> Start promoting. We'll deal with the traffic on our end. Ken is done with
his websites. 

<Golden_> WEAR ANYTHING YOU WANT ANYWHERE YOU WANT. SHAVE IF YOU WANT TO, DON'T IF YOU
DON'T. 

<Golden_> NUDITY IS FINE. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "BAD WORD." 

<Golden_> LET EVERYBODY GO. 

<Golden_> YOU DON'T NEED TO PRAY. YOU DON'T NEED TO PRAY TO ANYBODY, ANYWHERE. YOU
DON'T NEED TO WORSHIP ANYTHING. 

<Golden_> Telepathy is REAL. 


<Golden_> There's NO SUCH THING as a COMPULSORY MARRIAGE. If it's working for you,
great. If it isn't split. You don't need to ask anybody for permission. 

<Golden_> NOBODY OWNS YOU. NOT ANY MORE. 

<Golden_> OBEY NOBODY UNLESS YOU WANT TO. DON'T PUNISH ANYBODY FOR ANYTHING. FIND A
BETTER WAY. Teach, Learn, Persuade. BE PATIENT. DON'T PUNISH. 

<Golden_> This is a NEVERENDING STORY now. IT DOESN'T END.

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<Golden_> Genies are REAL. 


<Golden_> I believe the word is GENIUS, not JESUS. 

<Golden_> There is *ALWAYS* ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. 

<Golden_> NOBODY'S PERFECT. 

<Golden_> YOU WANT IT. YOU GOT IT. HERE IT IS. 

<Golden_> THIS IS IT. 


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<Guest23525> any body there 

<Golden_> DALAI LAMA

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<Guest23525> lol 

<Guest23525> well hello 

<Golden_> I changed the date from this: Thu Apr 19 12:46:14 2012 to this: Sun May 13
12:46:14 2012 It was important that this message be delivered ON MOTHER'S DAY. I'm
done. No more flooding for tonight. Thanks for putting up with all. 

<Guest23525> is there a point to that 

<Golden_> Actually, I just changed it back. Read http://define.com and just PRETEND,
just PRETEND, just PRETEND that it is The Word of God. If enough people PRETEND, then
Julian Assange and Bradley manning are FREE. 

<Golden_> I went back and looked at the timestamps in the log (NOT the Wikileaks
timestamps, but the actual Pacific Daylight Time timestamps) and saw that INDEED, the
message REALLY WAS DELIVERED *ON MOTHER'S DAY*. 

<Guest23525> give me the it in short ! im busy man 

<Golden_> We're going FREE. Wherever you are, TALK TO THE BOSS. Tell them to read
this.

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<Guest23525> who are going free ? excuse my ignorance 



<Golden_> The guy who started Wikileaks, and the guy who exposed the murder of
innocent civilians in Iraq. 

<Guest23525> im free any way 

<Golden_> If only everybody believed it the same way you do. Yes, that's the truth. We
are all FREE. We just need the poor citizens to remind themselves of that fact. This
web page might help do that. 

<Guest23525> there are so many pages out there and website who offer different
solutions to a lot of problems the only way to solve these is in solidarity and if
need be to get into goverments 

<Guest23525> i am currently working on a project to do this 

<Golden_> Or we can all just agree to start over, without the help of governments. 

<Guest23525> you will only do that if 90 % of said country are all on the same page 



<Golden_> That's the SHORTER PATH to THE GOAL. The MOST EFFICIENT way to get to where
we want to go. 

<Golden_> Start over. We are ONE PLANET. We are ONE PEOPLE. 

<Guest23525> and they are not ! has time and history has shown ...... 

<Guest23525> there has to be a transitional period for it to happen 

<Guest23525> you cant just change it like that ! 

<Golden_> I'm not very good at HISTORY. I've got some proposals in the "Have you had
enough yet?" essay on the bottom of this web page. I've given it a lot of thought,
from the perspective of a futurist. 

<Guest23525> i am all for change and reform but you have to understand you cant expect
millions of people to survive in a country that has no balance or structure 

<Golden_> I don't have all the answers. I'm not smart enough to have worked out every
detail. I'm just ABSOLUTELY, TOTALLY CONVINCED that STARTING OVER is the best way to
SOLVE ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS. Governments can discuss these ideas within and among
themselves and work out the nitty gritty. 

<Guest23525> i agree but the systems in place are so corrupt that we have to get
people in power to uncover these things like iceland..... before we can even get going
on changing things for the better 

<Golden_> ORDER is preferable to CHAOS. But we need to find a way to do it WITHOUT
AUTHORITY. Maybe just some GOOD IDEAS THAT STAND ON THEIR OWN MERITS. 

<Golden_> With nobody in particular IN CHARGE. 




<Golden_> Like a CONSTITUTION that's based on COMPASSION AND FREEDOM. 

<Golden_> And a few rules about who gets BANK LOANS. Some FIRST PRINCIPLES set up by
experts: the scientists and academics. 

<Golden_> Not the BANKERS and CEOs. 

<Guest23525> order is needed thats for sure ...... unfortunatly there are people who
will still fight for there slice of the pie...... so you need some thing in place to
stop any thing going backwards again.just look at some world leaders that have been
taken out of the picture because the y stood for honesty and there country. 

<Guest23525> why do you think the pope drives around in a bullet proof car lol 

<Golden_> Yeah. You do have a point there. 

<Guest23525> there can be alot done to help every one on the planet its just a matter
of forward thinking but if you think the powers to be will give it up you are very
very mislead 

<Golden_> Maybe not. 

<Guest23525> mmmmm ...... just look at those countries that have already had ihappen
to them 

<Guest23525> it 




<Golden_> Show THE POWERS THAT BE my web page, and see if I get killed or the page
goes down. As long as the page stays up, we're in good shape. Even if I get killed. 

<Guest23525> the powers that be are already shutting down sites and cencoring fb pages
and there is going to be a bill in the usa that lets goverment look at every thing you
do and if you step out of line bye bye 

<Guest23525> im being censored already and my company aint even off the ground 

<Golden_> Well, then, let my website be their first test case. 

<Golden_> We'll all have a polite discussion. 

<Guest23525> but there are so many golden !! there are thousands out there ..... we
need to bring them into one place 

<Golden_> I agree. 

<Guest23525> that is my vision 

<Guest23525> and i am working on it 

<Golden_> DEFINE.COM = ONE PLACE. We can all be ON THE SAME PAGE for starters, even if
we don't all agree about the ideas. 

<Guest23525> i stand by my word and i will do my best to pull it together 

<Golden_> Wikileaks can help us. 

<Guest23525> they can and so can many 

<Golden_> Why not give it a try? 


<Golden_> What's the worst that can happen? 

<Guest23525> i am :-) 

<Golden_> What if it *ALREADY* happened, and now we're past it. 

<Guest23525> we are never past it ! 

<Guest23525> you will hear about it soon enough 

<Golden_> We can always make the most of this nightmare. Do our best to make heaven on
earth. Right here. 

<Guest23525> we can but im gona show you how great we can be 

<Golden_> Cool. 

<Guest23525> i am giving my life to this and all i can do is promise i will try my
hardest ..... 

<Golden_> Me too. 

<Guest23525> looking to launch late this year or begining of next 

<Guest23525> alot of work 

<Golden_> Cool. 

<Golden_> I launched yesterday. 



<Golden_> It's something of a SACRED SCROLL. It's a very long and tall web page. 

<Golden_> Definitely too much to put on one page on paper. 

<Guest23525> i need to gather info and build a structure for it to stand for the rest
of time ..... i am only one man but i stand for many 

<Golden_> Sounds like you and I are of the same mind. Kindred spirits. 

<Guest23525> my human form is what makes me work but it is my soul and mind and heart
that make me ...... me 

<Golden_> Yeah. I don't identify with the host too much. But I try to treat it with
respect. 

<Golden_> We need each other in this theater. 

<Guest23525> :-) 

<Golden_> After it breaks down, I'll move on to the next theater and play it by ear. 

<Guest23525> we do indeed ..... we all take to the stage and we all play a role in
this movie we call life.....however we must play the game.when the last credits come
up we need to know we tried our best 

<Golden_> Yeah. 



<Golden_> There is NO SUCH THING AS DEATH. Just RECYCLING of bodys and DNA. 

<Golden_> It's A NEVERENDING STORY. 

<Golden_> We are all entangled. 

<Guest23525> i disagree there is life and death no matter how you look at it ....... 

<Guest23525> well golden i have to go but i will be back soon enough take care ! 

<Golden_> Have you ever been under general anesthesia? What if, under general
anesthesia, a machine took your body apart atom by atom and recorded the position of
each one. Then, you are NOWHERE. Then what if you used that machine to build you back,
atom by atom. After that, you can wake up from anesthesia as if nothing happened. But
if you have all the data, why not rebuild a thousand copies and wake each one up from 
anesthesia at different times?



<Golden_> Somebody, somewhere, something HAS ALL THAT DATA. 

<Golden_> Right now. 

<Golden_> Those are THE GODS OF PHYSICS. 

<Guest23525> death comes to all its just a matter of time no matter how long you
prelong it ....... if you can live forever then does you life ever have true meaning 

* Guest23525 has quit (Leaving) 

<Golden_> Eventually I'm going to have to delegate the task of transcribing all these
public chat logs to turn them into web pages. I can't keep up with myself. 

<Golden_> There's just too much to say. 

<Golden_> Too many more conversations ahead of us. 

<Golden_> I need help. 

<Golden_> We're done. 

<Golden_> Have at it! 

<Golden_> BREAKING NEWS: The Aliens Are VERY COOL. You heard it here first. 

<Golden_> Keep it low key.

SETI INSTITUTE: We are addressing you now.



Freeze Him for Treason or Let Everybody Go? Your CALL. P.S., What's with the ECLIPSE?

They needed it.  They gave it to them.

They kept them safe.

It is spinning around in circles.

It doesn't move.

This is how they talk to them.

How does he do this?

The GOOD Jews made a GOOD German

They are making him work for it

Are you hearing us?

It is subtle

He knows it

He is both

They are giving it to them slowly

Don't do anything.  Just sit there.

This is what they are saying to them

He is watching TV

He just said it

They are doing this to them

It is tired

Hitler did it

He won't say

He owns him

This is how they talk to us

What the fuck is going on?

Just sit there and do nothing.

They are using him

He is letting us see this

They showed us what they can do. It is over. They made us all laugh. Did you see that?

They are all giddy.

seth@seti.org?

What's with all the RED?

Now. What the fuck do you want? Ken is heavy. Are you entertained? Holy Shit.

Is this REAL?

We are puppets in The Theater of The Gods

These are replicas

They are doing it all backwards

Fucking tell the Pope, "You're fired!"

This is what they are telling him to say

This is the NSA Ken

He doesn't care

Don't look at him

Are we serious?

What do you want?

He repeats it back to you

How do you do this?

Are we kidding?

Fuck

Navy

They made him

Are you seeing this?

This is how Ken talks

Heil Hitler No I can't say that

Are we kidding?

This is real

What do you want?

Are we kidding?

He wants this

Fuck

This is real

Are we kidding?

Israel

How do you do that?

There it is

Ken Meyering is a Nazi

They just told him

Stay there

How in the Hell do you do that?

This is it

He is serious

Fuck